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Pay to Play?

For the Door? Selling Tickets?

I may be old fashion, but I don't understand why any band would want to pay to play anywhere? Or, why should they spend weeks selling tickets to get people in the doors to see them play three or four songs, get their equipment trashed, or worst yet...sell 50 tickets and find out that 10 other bands sold 60 or more and now they are off the schedule for the night.

Also, what about these battle of the bands that seems to be popping up all over the place. Who is to say what band is better then the other. Isn't this just a way for the clubs to get free entertainment in their doors? Isn't this just another form of pay to play?

I'm a fan of live music and when I want to go out, I want to see at least a full set from a band. Not a couple of songs, then have to wait for them to clear the stage and set up someone else. Don't forget the sound checks with everyband. Those should be done before the doors open.

If you are a band, club, or fan, please let me know how you feel about what the Cleveland clubs are doing. If your a club owner, maybe you can explain why these things are happening. Maybe in the 80's on SUNSET STRIP it was ok to have a band pay to play. Come on, this is Cleveland, HOME OF ROCK AND ROLL!

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Musician  starstarstarstarstar
Play to pay.. Think about it besides the economy being the way it is and the times changing from the 80's to the present the competition has become even ...

Band  starstarstarstarstar
I have absolutely NO problem with what the clubs are doing. I personally prefer selling tickets... I'd rather KNOW someone is coming to my show because ...

Artist  starstarstarstarstar
I agree. The problem with this industry now is that artist are not allowed to just be artist. Now they got to be a and r's, promoters, and everything else ...

Band and Fan  starstarstarstarstar
Anyone want to team up and invest in a place that showcases local talent, records the same, has talent agent on staff who can help develop and guide younger ...

Club  starstar
The club provides entertainment for their patrons and have the responsibility to pay for the DJ, Band, Commedian to do so.

HooP  Not rated yet
I've been around the music scene for a long time. There has always been problems with bands getting the op to get attention and pay to play has gone on ...

fan,player,musician,writer,performer as long as the money holds out!  Not rated yet
Pay to play sucks! It is squeltching the rock party, is it not? Ignorance is ignorance even when someone makes money from it.
If you have a brand new ...

Johnny Philko  Not rated yet
Here is what WE think of "Pay to Play"....

http://www.reverbnation.com/artist/song_details/3016779

musician/ band member  Not rated yet
Ok, here's what i think.... The reason why this pay to play bs has "popped up" is because there is too large of a crappy/wanna be to good band ratio and ...

Band and Fan  Not rated yet
I agree with you. I have played gigs in Cleveland and have had to sell tickets. Well, if you are just starting out you really don't have a large audience ...

Promotions Company  Not rated yet
It's absolutely ridiculous what some of these bar owners/booking agents are insisting when it comes to hiring bands to play at their perspective venues....

Band  Not rated yet
Its extortion at the highest level and is silly. Boycott the clubs and vere away from them like the plague and then see who has the upper hand. Once all ...

Band and Fan  Not rated yet
As a 16yr old musician in a band, i completely agree with the fact that this is all a scam. ive played the Peabody's Battle of the Bands...that sucked....

Road Pirate Productions International  Not rated yet
You are 100% correct, it's insane that venues are charging bands to play. Artists are providing a service for the venues. Come on people (artists) stop ...

Fan  Not rated yet
Let's face it, the club owners have gotten lazy. It used to be that the club was responsible for unearthing talented acts to bring people in the front ...

Former local band member  Not rated yet
I have done the pay-to-play/selling tickets deal two times before so my band could play a few of the bigger named venues. Never again. Stacked bills with ...

All of the above  Not rated yet
I think the negative aspects associated with pay to play venues is a result of “strumn & humn” bar bands with delusions of grandeur having their bubble ...

Band  Not rated yet
Pay to play is unacceptable. Maybe these club owners need to start there own bands and then see if they can find some guys or gals to play in that band ...

CHROMEKICKERS  Not rated yet
YOU ARE 100% PERCENT CORRECT!!..THIS SHIT IS NOTHING SHORT OF A SCAM!!..ESPECIALLY TO YOUNGER BANDS WHO ARE THRILLED TO BE PLAYING A STAGE LIKE PEABODIES,...

Artist  Not rated yet
I've been playing for 40 years. In that time I've done a couple benifits for good causes. They were NOT at bars. I think I was about 17 and did a battle ...

Shadows Force - The Region's Hottest Rock n Roll Party Band  Not rated yet
WOW! If alot of this shit just doesn't hit home? I'm am certain now that we are definitely NOT the only band dealing with these problems. Who else out ...

Artist  Not rated yet
In the day and age of the dollar the question I hear most often is "how many people will you bring?"
Sure this is a business we are in but, what happened ...

fan  Not rated yet
i've been a working musician for forty years in cleveland and i've only been involved in one battle (marlboro country talent round up) that was legit....

Band  Not rated yet
I knew that this happens in other cities, but it gives me shivers to think that Cleveland bar owners have become so petty and pathetic as to try this. This ...

Halle friggin luoya  Not rated yet
I couldn't agree more. Bands in this town are treated poorly by many venues. It takes a great deal of time and effort for bands to put together a product ...

band  Not rated yet
AMEN BROTHER!!!!!!!!!

Lat from The FOWG Band  Not rated yet
My band has a good following so the venue gets extra customers which probably pays 30-50% of our gig fee. But we don't guarentee that anybody will show ...

band  Not rated yet
I would never pay to play! This is a business and thats whats really happening. You need to provide entertainment that will draw or keep people in the ...

Tbs band  Not rated yet
i dont understand there are so many places to play why would one pay to play ???????. i do four shows per week in the tri state area and never have i heard ...

Band (www.onthebeachband.com)  Not rated yet
"Pay-to-play" and "for-the-door-venues" exist, for the most part, because of poor business planning. Anyone who has ever taken Business 101 knows that ...

Fan from Akron  Not rated yet
I've been to the clubs that make the band sell tickets. And I will never go again. It was the worst night. You end up sitting all night listening to ...

Band  Not rated yet
Never pay to play...It's all about the three P's -Pay -Promo -Perks.

No $$ but hang out backstage with your Hero - OK

No $$ but 100 new people hear ...

Band  Not rated yet
If your good, you'll get paid. If your young and in-experienced, you may have to pay your dues for a while (no pun intended).

www.hairrazor.us

Band   Not rated yet
I may be crazy but I aint stupid. Been playing out since I was 8 years old everythging from Polkas to Metal and Country to Jazz but I have NEVER paid ...